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Q: Does anyone hike/backpack/camp with their kids?
I have a 1 year old and I think by next fall she’ll either be too big or too wiggly to be carried in the backpack carrier (Kelty Kids). Does anyone take thier toddlers hiking? Camping? Any suggestions? We go in the mountains of PA.

A: I took my son on his first hike at six months old, in a Snugli carrier, with a daypack on my back. A month later we went on our only backpacking trip using the same carrier. By the time he was 9 months old we’d switched to a Kelty Meadow KIDS carrier, which we used for two years for day hiking, but as my wife is too weak to carry the kid, we never were able to figure out how to go backpacking, unless I carried over 50 lbs, including the kid, which is too much for the Kelty Meadow.

We used the Kelty until he was 2 years & 5 months old when we tried to experiment to see how far he could walk, which was about 33% of the time, with 66% of the time riding on my shoulders, which wasn’t very comfortable. So we purchased a Sherpani Rhumba UL carrier for our vacation to Hawaii, at age 2 1/2, weight 30 lbs, and he rode in that about 66% of the time on several day hikes. (I don’t recommend that carrier because the stitching came out and we had to return it, but we did get a full refund.)

At around 2 years, 10 months he hiked about 75% of the way on a seven mile hike around Muir Woods NM, the rest on my shoulders. I don’t plan to put him in a carrier any more, but if we hadn’t had it in Hawaii our hikes would’ve been impossible.

We never had a problem with wiggliness. You are kind of torturing them if you keep them in there a long time, so we never did extremely long hikes, and always stopped and let him rest and play as much as possible, moving no more than 1 MPH over a whole day, their experience of the woods just as important as mine. He’d usually fall asleep in the carrier in the afternoon for an hour or two. We never felt the need to bring toys along to keep him quiet.

Q: Does anyone know a good place to backpack with kids near Los Angeles?
Looking for an overnight hike with my 7 year old. Prefer a hike with a camping area withing 2 miles of the trail head. Some attraction at the campsite would be great — a stream, lake, interesting rock formations, etc. Thanks.

A: I’m sure you’ll find what you’re looking for in Angeles National Forest. http://www.totalescape.com/active/campstuff/NF/angeles.html#lake
The Sheep Mountain Wilderness in that area is popular:
http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/recreation/wild-sheepmountain.shtml
Here’s a link to some trail descriptions (distance round trip): http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/recreation/hike-trails.shtml

Q: If there was a non-profit to teach you and your kids about outdoor activities?
ok so I was wondering if if you could go to a place to train and learn about out door activities would you go ?
a place that offers stuff like rock climbing canoe/kayaking biking camping backpacking/hiking ext….. and if you could tell me your state along with your answer thanks

and other that the ymca

A: non-profit, I’d say the Audubon Society, 4-H, that kind of stuff. In Maine, I’d say the Maine Conservation School.

For profit, LLBean has outdoor discovery schools. Check the links below.

Q: Where can I buy just a simple old-school dining fly for camping? Basically looking for just a tarp and poles!?
I need something for a small group to use for rain, wind and sun shelter. It should be small enough for easy backpack camping. I don’t need the bulky “easy-ups”, or a screen room. I am picturing 4 poles, preferably something telescoping or shock-corded, that can be tied off to stakes. The cover tarp could be treated nylon or something else? The old canvas ones I used as a kid were pretty bulky, but they worked! For some reason, this has been tough to find!
I need something for a small group to use for rain, wind and sun shelter. It should be small enough for easy backpack camping. I don’t need the bulky “easy-ups”, or a screen room. I am picturing 4 poles, preferably something telescoping or shock-corded, that can be tied off to stakes. The cover tarp could be treated nylon or something else? The old canvas ones I used as a kid were pretty bulky, but they worked! For some reason, this has been tough to find!

Wal-Mart and Target have those reinforced plastic-coated ground cloths tarps with grommets, that may work OK, but no poles, at least none that any employees could locate for me!

A: Walmart or target. Don’t forget to get a lamp you can hang from the ceiling of the poles.
Happy camping.

Q: Any thoughts on taking an almost 5-year old to Alaska (Brooks Camp)?
I need a vacation and have always wanted to go to Alaska. After a little research I decided on Brooks Camp in Katmai National Park to observe brown bears. I’m debating on whether my daughter might be too young for this kind of experience (she’ll be almost 5 then). I plan on tent camping for at least 4-5 days. I was just curious to see if anyone has had a similar experience or any tips on camping/backpacking/travel with kids. Thanks!

A: We went there with our 5-month old, 9 years ago and I have a number of thoughts.

The reservation agent seemed to think we were crazy, as if we were going leave him on the beach by himself. But made the reservation.

The only problem we had was when our luggage didn’t arrive on the jet. We continued on from King Salmon to Brook’s Camp and borrowed tents and sleeping bags from the park. Everyone in the campground was very helpful to a fmaily with a infant and no gear. Somehow we stretched the 3 diapers we had until out gear arrived the next day.

The campgrounds themselves have spots for tents and 3-sided, roofed shelters over picnic tables for eating. There is a food cache surrounded by an eletric fence (really) for all your food.

There is a snack bar, a cafeteria for lodging guests, piped water, etc in the central area. Trails lead to the bear viewing areas and groups rotate on to and off of the bear viewing platforms. You’re with 10-20 other people when you’re watching bears and having a baby along is no risk to any one or any critter. Sure, it sounds exciting, but the riskiest part of the trip will be driving to the airport.

Our 9-year old doesn’t remember that trip, of course. But he does remember other trips we took when he was 4 and 5. The first family vacation I remember well from my childhood was when I was 5.

Tricks or traveling with kids? Mmy 4 year old has been to 20 states and 6 countries, my 9 year old to 45 and 13, so I’ve got a few. Airplane time should have new books and new small games along. A favorite stuffed animal and blanket. Overnight flights are really tough unless they are very experienced and easy travellers.

For us, hotels with breakfast on site are so much easier than mobilizing to a restaurant. Pools are a big hit and good way to burn off some energy. Let them make some of the decisions, like where to eat in the airport.

Aim to do things in 2 hour chunks at that age. It will limit what you do, but keep everyone happy. Accept that part of your “Alaskan” vacation will be playgrounds, swimming pools, and even museums, etc that aren’t much different than at home. But when your child says, “we live in a beautiful place” at age 6, maybe going to the trouble to show them around is worth it.

Editted to add: Someone posted about guns, guns, guns. There’s a lot of that perspective up here. But if you base your decisions on the numbers: Brook’s Camp has never had a fatality or serious injury. You can’t say the same for black bears in Yosemite, bison in Yellowstone or even elk in Banff.

And while Alaska has more bear attacks than any other state, it is still only one fatality every other year, compared to 43 drunk driving deaths each year. You’re at 86 greater risk from drunk drivers than bears. So skip the guns and bring a breath-a-lyzer! And you’ve got a 5-year-old! We vastly far more kids to guns around the house than all people in all critter interactions.

The rangers are law enforcement. As such, they have sidearms at all times. If there’s a possibility of interacting with a bear (one sleeping along the trail, etc), they come “loaded for bear” with shotguns with rifled slugs. Which, unlike you or I, they know how to use.

Oh, and when academics compare survival rates without an agenda? Pepper spray has a better outcome (for the humans and very much for the bears) on average than firearms.

Come up, enjoy the scenery and the wildlife. Be careful but not fearful. If you want to avoid bears on typical trails, make a lot of noise. If you want to see bears behaving naturally and ignoring humans, go to Brooks Camp or McNeil River State Park.

Q: What IS this subculture???? Have you seen these kids?
I’ve seen these kids (typically 18-late 20’s looking) in every major city I’ve lived in. They typically hang out in touristy areas. WHAT ARE THEY? Is there anywhere on the web that talks about them??

Clothing style= Black and brown cotton/denim. Unidentifyable slogans crafted on, like with a paintbrush or sharpie. Torn off sleeves, ripped off cutoffs. Boots= always leather army boots. CROSS laced. No bright colors at all. No accessories except maybe shoelace necklaces. No nail polish or makeup.

Jewelry = NO SPIKES OR O-rings…..just the occasional nose ring or earrings. Always silver or iron looking. No gems. Sometimes a leather belt-like bracelet on one wrist.

Tattoos= Also minimal, often on the face. No words just tribal like decoration, blackwork. Look homemade.and are simple.

Hair style = Practically always home-done dreadlocks. Shaved undercuts. Artificial coloring or bleaching is rare and minimal. (like one odd highlight…)

Accessories= MOST COMMON= Camping-sized backpacks, sometimes even with musical instruments (violin, guitar, bongo). Sometimes the cases look expensive and sometimes they don’t.

PASTTIMES = Hanging out in public parks in a circle with mongrel dogs on rope-leashes. Rumor is that they travel the country on black-painted school busses or campers. Also a rumor that they fix up and squat in abandoned buildings.

PUBLIC INTERACTION = Hands out ‘zines” with titles like “FIX IT UP!” or “STOP ****ing and START A REVOLUTION!”. Sometimes even panhandle with signs that ask for specific items “NEED SHOELACES” or “NEED FLOUR”. I’ve never seen them ask for money specifically. They don’t give the “Panhandler’s Pitch” either None of that “dude I need 3 bucks for the bus and my mom’s sick blah blah blah..”

DIET/HYGENE = Most describe themselves as “FREEGAN” which means, yes, dumpster diving outside of supermarkets and bakeries. .Most are vegetarian or vegan also who eat like civilized human beings and keep gardens in vacant lots or even buy food with money from stores. They seem to know about soap+water, their clothes look dingy and their hair is wild but their faces and arms are clean-looking. Dispite ratty clothing and hair style, still have a nourished, healthy appearance, Some of the men even have well manicured facial hair like goatees…Dental care is same as any other population, varies with individual.

MUSIC = They carry their own instruments… Never seen with ipods or radios. They seem to just play whatever comes to mind, no identifyable style. Definitely not punk or rock of any kind in case you were wondering.

DRUGS = I don’t know…They don’t look strung out.

ANY IDEAS?
okay it looks like I answered my own question, there is a FREEGAN lifestyle it’s not just a diet thing.

Oh and Basketball? I’m taking the points back by flagging your chatty non-answer. =P

A: Ben Hartsock (Atlanta Falcons) is an evil cat killer who deserves to rot in jail.
Pass it on!

Q: Kid friendly meals while out backpacking?
I’m taking my kids out to the Backcountry for the first time in a couple of weeks. I know all about feeding adults while camping/hiking, I’ve just never taken kids out in a situation where I can’t just open up the cooler and get them food that they like. So I need some easy to prepare backpacking friendly recipies that KIDS will LIKE.

A: The classic is mac and cheese. Most kids will eat this. Also by ramen noodles and add anything your imagine takes you to this, even salami, or jerky, dried vetg, mushrooms, etc. Hot cocoa is a must too and goodies like chocolate, marshmallows and a variety of crackers. I also buy instant oatmeal for breakfast and dried fruit. Don’t buy too much dehydrated food because of the expense, but first go to your regular market and see what kind of stuff you can buy all ready made in a box. I then throw away the box and put it into ziplocks with cooking instructions slipped inside the bag. I find buying and packing for a backpacking trip is a challenge, but great fun. Kids can come up with great ideas too.

Q: Is it illegal to pack a handgun with my gear for camping trips without a conceal carry permit?
I’m looking to go on an extended camping trip alone. This time I’ll be going to a boy scout camp during the off season (no kids). I want to pack a handgun to protect myself against would-be tent intruders (bears/thugs), and also to give myself some peace of mind while realizing I’m in the woods all alone in the dark (also part of the fun). Any advise on how to do this without having a concealed carry license? I want to pack the gun in my huge expedition backpack and simply have access to it at night. I don’t want to cause commotion by holstering it on my hip like John Wayne.

A: It truly depends on the gun laws in your state. I live in GA and it’s legal to take a gun without a carry permit. Here in GA your vehicle is an extension of your home and are allowed to defend it like your home. My husband and I take ours with us everywhere we go. He has a carry permit. I don’t. But I am still legal in having it with me. A permit just makes it easier for the cops.
I think the problem lies in WHERE you camp. You may want to check with the park ranger because it is a BSA camp. They may have rules against it. He/She may be able to give you more information.
As far as other public locations, when we go riding through the trails, hubby takes his pistol. One night there was a road block at the main road. The cops asked to search the jeep and we let them. They tried giving hubby a hard time about having the gun (didn’t have carry permit at the time), but then DNR came up and said we were OK. We knew we were, but the cops still tried to make us think we were in the wrong.
Bottom line is, make sure you are well aware of the gun laws in your state. Make sure you know what is and isn’t allowed at the BSA camp. (I know the local BSA camp here, guns are NOT allowed. permit or no permit)
Also.. in case you weren’t aware.. DNR doesn’t have to have a search warrant to check your property. Regular police and sheriffs do.

If you have any ?’s feel free to contact
Best of Luck and Happy Camping!!!!

Q: Any one done a long (i.e. 2weeks+) camping trip in great britain?
Im looking at taking part in a large cycle trip around GB and much of the nights will be spent camping rather then in B&B’s and Inns etc, just need to know what i actually need. Of course i know th tent will be importnat, lol. Just what extras would you advise? Remembering that i will be carrying th equipment in backpack or on th bike (its a tour’er).
Thanks L
(please no daft answers just for th 2points, this is something im doin for kids with cancer, so please tak th question seriously)

A: camping club uk will tell you where all sites are and good luck from all in uk.

Q: 6yr old kick out of school for having camping utensils? WTF?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/education/12discipline.html?no_interstitial

a 6 year old brought camping utensils to school and is being kick out because its a weapon. How ridiculous is this? First of all he is 6 do you really think he would hurt anyone. I know it happened once before and those are the random things that are hard maybe even impossible to control, you cant control someone like that. if someone let alone a child is going to kill someone is extremely hard to predict, if you are truly going to kill someone or yourself you are going to do it and you can almost never see it coming. people that kill are not stupid they will hide the weapon and they will wait for the right moment. There not going to walk around screaming “ooh look at this knife everyone i am going to stab someone today.” The child was excited about boyscouts and decided to bring in something for like show and tell or just to use them to eat because it made him happy. When I was in school i packed lunch, and i would pack real forks and knives from home and i am sure plenty of kids do that. Next thing you know there gonna be handing out forks and pencils and counting them and then collecting them after lunch or class like a prison. Also for any school or person to be this strict is actual funny. Does any person realize that a #2 sharpened pencil is unbelievably dangerous, i had one in my backpack or pocket several times and put my hand in there to grab it and stabbed myself and had to go the nurse because I had hole in my hand that was bleeding all over the place. Other objects like a pen, a ruler, or plactic cafeteria utensils are all weapons yet they aren’t banned. It makes you laugh that they ban knives yet everyday objects that are essential in schools are just as dangerous. I mean for christ sakes does anyone know you can kill someone with a single blade of grass?
What do all of you think about this situation, hasnt this country gotten alittle to crazy with its security at schools even airports?
Also does anyone realize what this is going to mentally do to this child? He is going to always be known as the kid that kicked out of school for having camping utensils. Other kids are forever going to be afraid of this kid because they will always think he is dangerous, just imagine what that will do to the child. They should have just given him a talk to scare him and let him know it was dangerous and then take them and have his mother come and pick them up when she had a chance and thats it. Plus to add to his embarrassment its not just happening in this town but his story is all over the national new. He will aways be known as this kid who brought a knife to school be will ignore the face that he was 6.
for the ones that say no matter what his age he can still be dangerous, but if he was a dangerous one and one that wanted to stab a kid he would have done it. There is no way to prevent it without making this world like a prison. You cant stop somone who has intent to kill even at that age, i mean if I was in school and I wanted to kill someone and lets say I was in an inner city school so there are metal detectors and a good amount of security, if i was determind to hurt somone or kill them just because I hated them I could easily get around those things. First I wouldnt bring anything to school, there are hundereds of weapons in a class room. my example of pens and pencils could work. Science classes there are glass objects all over. Anything can really be a weapon. A child brings boyscout utensils to school and shows them off just didnt know they could be dangerous, he wasnt going to hurt anyone, accident can happen but thats why he should have been talked to and thats is it.
Ohh and for the people who say I am the reason this country is dangerous and we should have more and more security is bullsh*t. If terrorists really wanted to attack again do you have any idea how easy it could be? Terrorists are not stupid they flew planes into buildings they are well resourced people. Also with there financial backing they could be anyone black, white, arab, asian, european, even your neighbor. If people are going to attack they will always find ways around current security installed. there are people that live in this country, people who were born here that hate this country for what we do to other people and countries. So yeah this country is crazy with security, i agree we need it but not to the extent we are at now.

A: I know!!! This is so stupid!!!
Like its a freaking fork, spoon and a knife.
And why would they think a child would wanna
do something violent with it anyways.
Like I can understand not wanting a teen bringing one in
but this is a 6 year old.
Like wtf?

Q: How do you feel about child harness leash?
my two year old has always enjoyed running into the road. He is a very social person and whenever he sees other kids or someone he can say “hi” to hes off so we recently bought him a harness backpack and leash and will be getting a long outdoor leash for things like camping, playing in the backyard, and riding in his cozy coupe. We live right next to the park and the lake is just across the street from my home, and when at my moms she lives on the main street in town so we are doing this for his safety. Since putting him on it we have gotten a lot of stares and comments about it..is this lazy parenting, cruel or do you think its fine??
To add some more..
my mom and i live in no fencing zones, i have 2 other children and usually my small nieces are around
you cannot explain to a 2 year old about kidnapping or being hit by a car nor can you ground them..they dont understand that
also that is my plan..to use i as a training tool this is my second summer of him running off and this was only bought after inside time outs, playpens, and no more going outside for the day didnt work

thanks for the answers

A: I think it is a good decision. Especially when your little one is at the age where it is hard to get them to obey 100%. Though I would only use it as a teaching tool. Use it while you are teaching your little one to obey when you tell him to come here and to stay close.

Q: know any good summer camps 4 kids??
im 12 and i live in colorado. i love volleyball and being outdoors and hiking and stuff. NOT BACKPACKING!!! sry did that last year and hated it. any good camps in colorado????

A: I don’t know about Colorado, but 12 is the perfect age to spend a week at “Space Camp” in Huntsville Alabama.

Q: Which show is this? I know it’s for kids but I forgot what it was called?
I used to watch it after school. I think it’s like two guys with a monkey or something? And they gave him bananas when he was good and it was about animals and one of the guys always had a like bandana and a backpack I think. They were always dressed like if they were going to go camping. Like Jeff Corwin, lol.

Any ideas?
For some reason “Kalamazoo” which is a county in Michigan reminds me of it but I don’t know what he show is called!!!

A: Zaboomafoo. Great show, even for adults…I would let the kids watch too. They are brothers in real life and get to go on all these cool safaris and hikes looking at and interacting with all kinds of fantastic animals. The brothers last name is Kratt.

Kalamazoo was a bit backwards, but you were on the right track, or trial I should say. Have a great day.

Q: Add puntuation and capitalization to the passage below, write the ERROR and make the corrections each line # ?
new book of local interest is entitled fifty hikes in louisiana its

subtitle is walks hikes and backpacks in the bayou state and it

was written by janina baxter the book was published in 2003 by

back country guides press in woodstock vermont and is on

sale now in bookstores full of pictures and maps the book

describes trails located in all areas of louisiana and varying

from a short mile in length to over twenty six miles a chart in

the front of the book shows the fifty trails their locations

distances in miles and special features the chart also reveals

whether the hike is suitable for kids whether camping is

available and some notes on each area the author shos how

some trails appeal to historical interests while others are

fascinating to geologists some trails are known for their

wildlife others are famous for their flowers at certain times of

year an ETC.. look for my other Q in YAHOO just tell me the line # + correcttions

A: new book of local interest is entitled – ‘fifty hikes in Louisiana’. its
subtitle is – ‘walks hikes and backpacks in the bayou state’.
it was written by janina Baxter. the book was published in 2003 by
back country guides press in Woodstock, vermont and is on
sale now in bookstores, full of pictures and maps. the book
describes trails located in all areas of louisiana and varying
from a short mile in length to over twenty six miles.
a chart in the front of the book shows the fifty trails, their locations,
distances in miles and special features. the chart also reveals
whether the hike is suitable for kids, whether camping is
available and some notes on each area.
the author shows how some trails appeal to historical interests while others are fascinating to geologists.
some trails are known for their wildlife, others are famous for their flowers at certain times of yr

Q: Am I in love with my Ex or just looking for an easy way out?
I am going to be BLUNT! The girl I am with now; we do all the things ive always wanted to do, travel camp, backpack, and anything quote unquote extreme, also she has no kids, neither do I. which I REALLY like but I feel im forcing our connection, she said I love you, but i think its because i said it first, my best friend had just died… and she went to the funeral with me. But my ex has always been there for me, I left her when I cheated on her before i told her because i couldnt stand the guilt, but after that I got into another relationship I cheated with her, and left that girl. she knows about all of this and has had a kid from a guy she thought she loved in the meantime………SOOOOOOO…… my question is should I go with the woman who does the things I want to do, or the woman who has always been there for me. and for god sake ask a question before you answer because if that question takes this long to type it must be as confusing to read……….

A: You had a woman who was always there for you and her reward was that you cheated on her. Then you cheated on the next girl. Now you’re with someone you’ve told you love because she went to a funeral with you. It’s not a question of which woman you should go to, it’s a question of why any woman would even consider being with you. You cheat on women that you can’t find one bad thing to say about, you have no idea what you want and you think you have the right to keep jerking these women around. What are you going to tell the woman you’re with now? “I know I told you I love you and you do everything I want to do but my ex-girlfriend looks better to me now than you do”.

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